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Christian Polygamy The purpose of this site is to inform all Christians that polygamy is authorized by God, to prove this principle using Scripture as the only authority, to educate Christians interested in understanding Biblical marriage, to encourage Christians wishing to pursue polygamy as the marriage structure for their families, and to support Christians living Biblical plural marriage.

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Alice Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 11:13 AM :
I'm all for polygamy as long as it goes both ways. Men can have multiple wives as long as women can have multiple husbands. Seems fair to me.

NeoCon Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 11:48 AM :
I've never heard of that - except in the insect world. Bees, ants, and spiders.

PoPo Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 12:21 AM :
This is a perfect example of people who want something bad, and come up with rationalizations to justify their "desire", and as shown here find things int he bible to help their cause. This anchient practice died out early in the old testiment (if Bible text is used as proof). In fact, recordings of polygamy aproved by God are not found in the New Testiment at all, and niether in most of the old testiment, especialy in the latter parts.

This whole cause reminds me of the "Snake Handlers" in the ozark mountains or where ever they are. They have built an entire "religion" based on a few scriptures, mainly the one where Paul was picking up wood (I think) and a poisonous viper bite and latched on to him. He shook it off and did not even pay attention to what happened. He did not die or get sick. And thousands of years later a group of people make it their whole religion to fondle snakes. Its turns into more of a show, than an act of worship or "Godly lifestyle", which defeats the whole purpose of Christianity all together. My point simply is this. At first God allowed polygamy from Adam and Eve's time because populating the earth was needed. Thats it.

Jesus even said:

Matthew 19:5 "And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?"

He never said a man can have many or multiple wives. I am sorry to bother you all with bible quotes, but this lie is hurtful to the real doctrine of the church, and very dissrespectful to the female in this relationship who ends up more of a trophy of possesion than a peer or "help meet". She was inteded to be the mans best assest in life. His gift from God to help him complete his journey through his days. No man is that bad off that he needs many wives, nor is any one woman so lacking, that he needs more women to suffice.

Golly Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 12:26 AM :
No, Alice, just men.

PoPo Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 12:28 AM :
In fact if I may add more of my two cents:

If any one is familliar with the story of Solaman, writer of the sexy book of "The song of Solomon" or "Book of Solomon", in other parts of the bible its detailed how his fall from God's favor is due to his marrying thousands of women and conqubines. Im sure its more of an argument that he took on the religious beliefs of each new wife, and corrupted his own, but it was a fault counted to him as his legacy non the less.

And should stand to prove a powerful argument against "polygomy". I see it as a copout excuse for men who are so selfish and unfaithful, they see it as a way to have their cake and eat it too. They just need to be real men, and take care of the most important thing given them on earth. The mother of their children, the better half of anything good they have ever become, their best friend on earth.

I'll stop now.

Sky Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 12:39 AM :
Well, PoPo, you are correct. Christians, like the Jews, aren't supposed to have more than one wife. I agree - this is just a rationalization. Why any man in his right mind would want more than one wife is a mystery to me.

Golly Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 12:44 AM :
Sky, gotta agree with your last sentence. LOL.

Surfer Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 1:16 PM :
Monogamy/marriage is the only law created by man and sanctioned by God. The first "law" even...

Alice Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 1:17 PM :
Golly, I realise that this would only apply to men ... but to make it fair it would have to go both ways.

As to what this would have to do with gay marriage baffles me ... sounds like somebody is using the slippery slope argument.

Golly Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 1:34 PM :
Alice, I was just trying to mess with you.

Alice Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 1:39 PM :
I know dude, it's cool.

Nony Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 2:13 PM :
Some really cool posts there PoPo! Glad I can agree with you on something for once!

PoPo Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 2:15 PM :
its possible isnt it Nony? lol

Golly Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 2:20 PM :
Ahhhh...group hug. Sky, Alice, Surfer, Juniper get in here.

Alice Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 2:27 PM :
PoPo, I believe the bible also says something like "if your brother should die, you should take his wife to be your wife" (I'm paraphrasing, of course). Anyway, I think that would count as polygamy. So, the bible isn't always against the idea. This is why the bible really should be to "go to" book of laws. There are so many contradictory statements, you can't really find and hard truths.

Sky Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 2:32 PM :
Alice you are correct, but what that law means is that if an unmarried man's brother dies, he is supposed to take his wife as his own. If he is married himself, he is to take his brother's wife into his household, care for her, and help find her another husband.

Group hug, Golly? Are you suggesting that we practice bisexual polyamory? LOL

Surfer Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 3:37 PM :
Ah so, the adult should then be able to reason which of God's laws to follow... HAHAHAHAHA, fucking stupid idiot.

God Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 4:25 PM :
Lets see, Surfer is making fun of me. I'll remember that when he croaks.

Alice Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 4:37 PM :
Bullfeathers! That is not what the bible is for. The bible is designed for people who don't care to think for themselves. If they thought for themselves they wouldn't need the bible. If people could truly reason through the contradictions and paradoxes we wouldn't be having a problem with gay marriage in this country, as it would be legal. Acutally if people could truly reason with all the inconsistancies, we would only have one chrisitian church .. there would be no need for methodists, catholics, baptists etc. In this perfect world you speak of, all adults would agree.

"That's because the Bible is a book written for adults, with minds that can reason between contradictions and paradoxes. It is NOT for children who are looking to be told what they should do every minute of the day - that's what parents are for."

Jimmy Swaggart Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 4:55 PM :
I have sinned!!!

PoPo Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 7:23 PM :
Alice I know what you are talking about. If I am remembering correctly, that law refers to a the next eldest son who has not married "yet". I may be wrong. I will look into that, because thats interesting.

Lifegaurd I like your take on that, its funny.

LOL HE HE HE! I am almost going to miss it when CW locks the "submit comments" to those who have registered, leaving the multiple personalities with out any more fun.

Alice you are almost in agreance with the basic Christian school of thought. You see the irony of it all is that, "AS" little children at any given age we always "think" we know it all, but dont realise it until later in life. As do christians just admit that we are full of faults, and there for are incomplete with out Gods place in our life. Thinking on our own gets us everything we paid for it, nothing. We live in a modern age of high tech comunications, yet when our families come home together they can not comunicate with each other. The more we think we know the more we have to learn. And until the Evil/Satan is out of this world, then this world will continue to have its divisions and seperatist attitudes. Unity has its downside, and that is: It usualy only works under comunism or tyrrany, and then only shortly.

Ahhh. Let me guess. All you critics of the bible: You feel the same about the Quran?

PoPo Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 8:54 PM :
The bibe isnt a collection of "cliff notes", a newspaper is. The Bible is a book detailing the story of man. Its the documentation of the struggle of good vs evil. Not that evil is the counter part to good, because God isnt compared to Satan.

All this talk about the Bible makes me think of Patriot. Where has Patriot been lately?

codewolf Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 10:04 PM :
The Bible is a story. It is not to be treated as "law" or as a guide for life. Although some decent facits of human life examples can be found, I doubt you should look upon this book as a be all an end all to a moral guide.

Anyone thinking otherwise is a bit kicked in the head.

If / should you wish to live an upstanding moral life, look at the teachings of Buddah, not JC, JC was a whore fucking early poet, nothing more.

Surfer Wrote the following on 03/17/2005 11:56 PM :
The bible in it's form today is nothing but a twisted work, written and mistranslated to suit the political "feelings" of the times. The only parts worth considering are the parts that can be verified by crossreferencing other works of the time that show a parallel in events and records. Beyond that, if you want to consider a biblical law as a "worthwhile morality" then by all means, follow it, if you feel the need.

Kicked in the head... I shall have to remember that term.

Jesus was, as I've said before, a nonmilitant rebel. He associated with those that would have nothing to do with the church (church of the time, that is) or where seperated from the church by its own craziness. You know, women, sick people, whores, criminals, children, activists (political and religious). He, just like everyone else, knew every bit of the prophecies of a "messiah" and many many had tried and failed to fulfill them, mostly because they tried a military approach in a Roman occupied location... but he proceeded knowing them, trying specifically to fulfill them (the fulfillment of any of the prophecies of the time indicate either that he was who everyone says he was, there is no God, or a Life of Brian approach - excellent movie, btw). Tensions were high and he chose the nonviolent approach. Pacifism. Nonwar. Refused to fight.

CW, I wouldn't really say that there's much to the "facets of human life" in the bible. I mean, sure, there's Song of Solomon (a pleasant read), the "laws" set forth in Deuteronomy show an interesting example of life as it was livd then, but not much else other than simple narrative "historical stories." I certainly wouldn't read the Bible to my children as bedtime story material. In fact, beside the whole Christ bit, there's not much more in the Bible besides rules and stories of people that just didn't look too bright wandering the countryside looking for a place to call home.

Nony Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 01:20 AM :
PoPo I think Patriot is busy being a brandnew father... Was the baby not due around now?

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 06:16 AM :
Yes PoPo, I feel the same of the Quran and the Torah.

I also agree with CW. The Buddha is a fantastic role model.

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 06:23 AM :
PoPo, another thing, you are so full of shit. Let me understand what you're saying .. those who think for themselves have nothing of value, have bad family relationships and need to fight evil/satan?? Are you fucking kidding me? That's so asinine it's almost not worth responding to .. but I will. It was only when I started thinking for myself and fixing my own problems that my life became fuller, richer and more fun. I have a great marriage, wonderful relationship with my family, have come to understand what I'm doing on this planet etc. Please do not discourage people to think for themselves and take responsibility .. the world does not need more ignorant religious people.

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 08:34 AM :
Actually, Jesus did acknowledge his divinity .. that's why the sanhedrin was soooo pissed.

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 08:36 AM :
Oh, an Jesus most definitely said that the kingdom of god was to be obtained through him.

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 08:45 AM :
In nearly 80 sources other than biblical, Jesus is mentioned by named, his crime and following punishment listed. All this account are contemporary to the time of his death. Josephus is a good example.

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 08:51 AM :
Well, I can quote the bible too, if that's how you want to roll. But that isn't the point.

Sky Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 08:57 AM :
Oh, absolutely the Bible is Cliff Notes. Does anyone really believe that you can get everything you need to live a good, spiritually rich life from a single book? If anything, the Bible should be considered nothing more than a starting point.

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 09:01 AM :
Hey Sky! I agree. For some people it might be a good "outline". But there certainly are plenty who are getting by just fine without.

Sky Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 09:26 AM :
No, Alice, they aren't. They only believe that they are. Look at the mess that is modern Christendom, have a chat with some born-again "Christians." Oh, but will they ever show you how knowledgable they are of the scriptures. They'll quote passages chapter and verse. They'll interpret them for you. They will let you know how pious they are. But try to move them to the next level and discuss spirituality and you'll hear the wind blow. They are completely aspiritual. I'm speaking in generalities and know that there are some very spiritual Christians in the world, but you won't hear them babbling on about their religion; they've moved beyond that. They've learned that you won't find God in the Bible, nor will you ever find him by looking someplace else, nor can anyone lead you to him. God resides within and around and through, and the self is a but note in a great song in which everything we know about our universe is but a single harmony. The Bible only hints at such larger realities, so how can it be the be-all and end-all of what you need to know?

Patriot Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 10:43 AM :
Jesus did mean what He said. Those who put themselves in His hands will become perfect, as He is perfect - perfect in love, wisdom, joy, beauty, and immortality. The change will not be completed in this life, for death is an important part of the treatment. How far the change will have gone before death in any particular Christian is uncertain.

The widest objection to Christianity I find voiced here daily by Alice, Sky and Nony and elsewhere in everyday life is this: If Christianity is true why are not all Christians obviously nicer or as Sky likes to say, - more ''spiritual'' than all non-Christians? What lies behind that question is partly something very reasonable and partly something that is not reasonable at all. The reasonable part is this: If conversion to Christianity makes no improvement in a man's outward actions - if he continues to be just as snobbish or spiteful or envious or ambitious as he was before - then I think we must suspect that his conversion was largely imaginary and after one's original conversion, every time one thinks one has made an advance, that is the test to apply. Fine feelings, new insights, greater interest in "religion" mean nothing unless they make our actual behavior better; just as in an illness 'feeling better' is not much good if the thermometer shows that your temperature is still going up. In that sense the outer world is quite right to judge Christianity by its results. Christ told us to judge by results. A tree is known by its fruit. When I behave badly or fail to behave well, I regretfully realize I am making Christianity unbelievable to the outside world.

But there is another way of demanding results in which the outer world may be quite illogical. Many here at codewolf and elsewhere in the world demand not merely that each man's life should improve if he becomes a Christian; they may also demand before they believe in Christianity that they should see the whole world neatly divided into two camps - Christian and non-Chrsitian and that all the people in the first camp at any given moment should be obviously nicer than all the people in the second. This is unreasonable on several grounds.

In the first place the situation in the actual world is much more complicated than that. The world does not consist of 100 per cent Christians and 100 per cent non- Christians. There are people (a great many of them) who are slowly ceasing to be Christians, but who still call themselves by that name - some of them are clergymen. There are other people who are slowly becoming Christians though they do not yet call themselves so. There are people who do not accept the full Christian doctorine about Christ but they are so strongly attrracted by Him that they are His in a much deeper sense then they themselves understand. There are people in other religions who are being led by God's secret influence to concentrate on those parts of their religion which are in agreement with Christianity and who therefore belong to Christ without knowinng it. For example, a Buddhist of 'good will' may be led to concentrate more and more on the Buddhist teaching about mercy and to leave in the background the Buddhist teaching on certain other points. Many of the good Pagans long before Christ's birth may have been in this position. And always, of course, there are a great many people who are just confused in mind and have a lot of inconsistent beliefs all jumbled up together in their heads. Consequently, it is not much use trying to make judgements about Christians and non-Christians in the mass. It is some use comparing cats and dogs, or even men and women, in the mass, because there one knows definitely which is which. Also, an animal does not turn from a dog into a cat. But when we are comparing Christians in general with non-Christians in general, we are usually not thinking about real peoeple whom we know at all, but only about two vague ideas which we have got from television or the internet. If you want to compare the bad Christian and the good Atheist, you must think about two real specimens whom you have actually met. Unless we come down to brass tacks in that way, we shall only be wasting time.

Nony Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 11:13 AM :
Hi Patriot, You gave the same comment before! Was halfway through it when I realized that. It's here: Prayer Team Announces Celebration for President The link should get you to it, otherwise scroll all the way down, it is the before last one. CW search feature sure works like a charm.

You father yet? If I remember correctly the baby should be due or have been due.

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 11:29 AM :
Is it just me, or is that an odd thing to do. To save your own diatribes so you can regurgitate them later ... hmmmm.

Patriot Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 11:43 AM :
I've never claimed to be 'normal' Alice! LOL.

The message seemed to apply here very well, so I thought it useful to re-post it. No-sense in re-inventing the wheel. It's simply my thoughts on a non-believer's view of Christianity. I spent a considerable amount of time editing and re-writing the message the first time, so I don't know why you seem to feel, I'm "hoodwinking" you by posting it again. If my thoughts on the subject change, I will revise the message accordingly. If you've read it before, and still don't disagree, or have anything more to add to my thoughts then please disregard it.

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 11:52 AM :
I disagree quite bit actually .. but I'd rather not argue with you. What would be the point?

Patriot Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 11:59 AM :
Nony - I am proud and excited to say I am a father!

Mom and baby are doing great. He's a hamburger patty shy of a ten lb bag of potatoes and almost two feet long. Mom is sore, but doing very well. I changed one diaper before he was born, but now after only a week, I could change him with one hand tied behind my back.

I am very humbled and amazed to think that the love and desire I feel to protect this little being is only a fraction of what our Heavenly Father, feels towards us. Watching the woman you love give birth to your child is literally one of the most surreal and emotional experiences of my life. My friends who have had kids before me, tried to explain it, but this is truly one of those moments that must be experienced first hand.

Patriot Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 12:02 AM :
Alice, I'm sure you could find a reason to disagree with anyone about anything! That's what we've grown to love about you.

Golly Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 12:05 AM :
Amen Patriot, Amen. (Parenthood)

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 12:12 AM :
Patriot, you'd be rather suprised at how agreeable I can be.

As for arguing, I'm afraid that is only what YOU have grown to love about me. I'd like to think that others here actually respect me, rather than giggle and egg me on for there own amusement. It's really is about respect, which you express very little of ... for that reason, I have no respect for you.

I find it disturbing that you have reproduced. I can only assume it's a little chud baby who's first word with be "jesus". Cringe ...

Golly Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 12:15 AM :
Alice, you are arguing. BTW...what is a chud?

Surfer Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 12:20 AM :
I'm laughing at the ironies between belief and life that Patriot is about to recognize, all pointed out by a child.

Alice, I wouldn't worry so much about Patriot reproducing. That's a re-edcatable kind of brain. The one's to worry about are Golly and NeoCon. Okay, maybe just NeoCon.

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 12:23 AM :
Didn't you ever see that terrible movie C.H.U.D. ??

I'm not arguing Golly, just making a point.

Patriot Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 12:33 AM :
Respect comes from the latin derivative Respiciere - which means "to see". I assure you, I very much see you for you who are - not who you pretend to be. People who treat you like the person you pretend to be, are not your friends. Real friends see your faults and accept you anyways. Fake friends pretend your faults don't exist, because they don't have the courage to confront their own or confront you about yours. The common term for these types of people these days - is enabler. I call them false friends.

I may not be your friend either, but we certainly aren't going to get much further down that road if you can't be honest with yourself. You are not agreeable. You're a fighter. I respect that more then you choose to see. I do agree with you in one sense - I can't have respect for you when you deny your true nature, and pretend that you're "agreeable".

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 12:41 AM :
See, that's the thing .. you don't see who I really am. This is a virtual world. Althought my persona here is a facet of my personality, it is by no means the be all and end all of myself.

I am an agreeable person. I'm just not agreeable in this setting. If I was not an agreeable and easy going person, I wouldn't have a wonderful marriage, good friends, good family relationships etc. All those things take work and compromise. If I was a fighter all the time, I would also be a very lonely person.

Anyhow, I'm not here to make friends. Internet friends aren't really friends. The idea is rather laughable. I prefer the realy world for all that sort of thing. I just come here to read stories, comment when I feel like it, and blow off a bit of steam.

Golly Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 12:48 AM :
I like the "Daily Boobies."

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 12:50 AM :
How could I have forgotten that ... that's really what I'm here for, the titties!!!

Golly Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 12:56 AM :
Cool Alice. I like big jiggly ones. I am just cracking myself up.

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 12:57 AM :
What a coincidence, I have big jiggly ones! It's a small world, isn't it?

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 12:59 AM :
I must share this ... I just googled Darren's name .. this was one of the things that turned up ... http://www.filipino.ca/forum/photos/show-album.asp?albumid=609&currentpos=5

Golly Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 1:05 PM :
Oh man, you don't want to get me going.

Golly Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 1:09 PM :
Yup, you got it!!

Patriot Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 1:29 PM :
I was going to name my kid Darren, until I found out it was also the name of the dude that has to service Alice.

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 1:31 PM :
Bullshit ... no one names their kid Darren anymore .. it's a lame ass 70's name, or the dude from Bewitched name. Hell, even Darren doesn't even like the name ..

BTW, you should be so lucky to get to be able to service me, then again, service makes it sounds like work, and believe me it's far more of a pleasure than that.

Golly Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 1:34 PM :

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 1:34 PM :
Golly to HR ....

Golly Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 1:36 PM :

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 1:37 PM :
Well, we all have our moments :)

Golly Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 1:39 PM :
Golly wants more moments.

Jeff Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 1:42 PM :
I've seen her pic on the message board Patriot. You're not missing anything.

And people who brag to total strangers that they are great in bed, actually turn out to be really horrible. It's like, if you're good and you know it, why do you have to shout it at people in an internet chat room?

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 1:45 PM :
Golly can have all the moments he wants .. with his wife.

Jeff, I realise I am a hideous she-creature who shouldn't see the light of day, but that doesn't mean I can't keep my husband happy.

Golly Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 1:48 PM :
Nope. Wife's quota is different than Gollys quota. Much different. :(

Alice Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 1:49 PM :
That's true of most men and women though, isn't it?

Golly Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 1:53 PM :
Yea, probably.

Surfer Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 8:22 PM :
Ragepeace, you have a wonderful objective grasp of the bible, etc. Thank you for being educated. I begin to have hope in the general populace once again.

Golly Wrote the following on 03/18/2005 9:05 PM :
Surf, what about my knowledge in Boobies? My simple expertise should encourage the entire planet.

Surfer Wrote the following on 03/19/2005 01:59 AM :
There is no equal to you. You are indeed "Master"....master "what" I leave to you to decide.... ;}

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