Surfer Wrote the following on 03/03/2005 04:04 AM : Please no...make it stop!
NeoCon Wrote the following on 03/03/2005 12:12 AM : Let it die. The show is no good.
Surfer Wrote the following on 03/03/2005 12:41 AM : NeoCon, you're going to end up putting me in the grave if we keep agreeing on things....
I seem to recall somewhere reading that a bunch of people gathered to together to protest the show's cancellation and that what made this protest different from those in the past was that nobody showed up in costume....
Could it be that that's because all the people who actually like Star Trek know how stupid this show is and the only people that showed up are the people that like the show as opposed to the series???
Caroline Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 09:26 AM : Enterprise is a fantastic Star Trek show! I will help to SaveEnterprise through TrekUnited.com! I've already donated because I think it's so much more than just a TV show. I was shocked when I heard that UPN/Paramount had cancelled it. Hopefully it will continue for at least 1 (better 2 or 3) more season(s).
Sky Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 09:52 AM : Caroline, if you don't mind my asking, how old are you? I ask because I watched it a couple of times and it was apparent to me that the target demographic was people aged 13 to 21. The show wouln't have much appeal for other audiences. So much more than a TV show? Uh, no. It is a TV show; nothing more, nothing less. If you guys aren't successful at getting Enterprise a reprieve (and you won't since the economics aren't there), the sun will still rise and there will be other TV shows. Don't be shocked. UPN/Paramount produce programming as vehicles for advertising. It a shows ratings indicate that it isn't reaching enough of it's target audience, there is no return on investment for a sponsor. That's capitalism.
Nony Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 10:20 AM : No problem with your post Harald, but I always thought that the name enterprise as used in the samples you post goes back to the USS Enterprise of 1799, not to the enterprice of stardate whatever.
To tell you he truth, Loved the first series, got them on DVD, but whatever came after, not my cup of tea. If you like it, so much the better for you. But Actually I am more on Sky's side here. The new series just can't keep my attention long enough, to predictable. If you guys pull of a new season, more power to you!
Sky Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 10:31 AM : I don't have a problem Harald. But you apparently do. I've been a Star Trek fan since the first series. But it's only a TV show. Your post shows that you have religion about this, which indicates that while you may be 40, you are terribly immature and don't have your priorities in order. Back off, friend. No one was talking to you in the first place. I don't have to insinuate that Trekkies are children; your rant did that all by itself.
BTW, nearly all of the stories of ST episodes are adaptations of stories from greek mythology, medieval morality, and other classical tales. If you knew anything about Gene Rodenberry, you'd know that.
And, friend, do you have any idea how much money Paramount has made off of Star Trek over the years? They know when they have a winner and when they don't. They are in business to make money and cannot make business decisioned based on the shrill protests of a bunch of Trekkies. At 40, you are a tad too young to remember that the same thing happened when the first series was cancelled. But it didn't work. The original Star Trek series cost a fortune to produce, it didn't have a large enough audience and could not generate enough ad revenue to justify producing another season. That's the cold, hard reality. Entertainment industry executives have a responsibility to their stockholders, not to you the viewer.
BTW, I stand ocrrected. A quick web search turns up that the target demographic for Enterprise is 18 to 34. It's average. It's average rating is 1.7 with a share of 5. In other words, not too many poeple in the demograhic are watching it. What's UPN and Paramont to do? Continue to dump money into a looser? Get real.
Caroline Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 10:32 AM : Sky, - I'm 28 and the target group is a lot more widespread than you'd think. Harald has nailed exactly my thoughts. Why would people sponsor more than 3 Million Dollars (more money on the way constantly) in just a couple of days? Surely not just because they think ST/ENT is just another TV show. Nobody forces you to watch or like Enterprise, by the way.
Caroline Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 10:36 AM : - Sky - while you were typing your last post, so was I.
BTW, I stand ocrrected. A quick web search turns up that the target demographic for Enterprise is 18 to 34. It's average. It's average rating is 1.7 with a share of 5. In other words, not too many poeple in the demograhic are watching it. What's UPN and Paramont to do? Continue to dump money into a looser? Get real.
Its average rating - according to Nielsen rating system (Nielsen have admitted that there have been wrong numbers) - in the US were around 3 Million people. What about the REAL numbers - AND most importantly the WORLDWIDE fanbase? 'Nuff said.
Nony Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 11:01 AM : Thanks Wayne4Trek, did not know that about the name Enterprise!
Surfer Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 11:28 AM : nevermind that the show breaks so many predesignated "historical" references. It's not following in the legacy ... just a sci fi show with a couple names and titles slapped on there. Not to mention the whole show sucked.
Patriot Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 12:37 AM : This is hilarious.
Harold, Allow me to introduce you to Mr. Resume aka - Sky. He is our resident "know it all". If you disagree with him - you will quickly find out - the problem is with you. He is a self-proclaimed vietnam veteran, a medical professor, a world-renowned scientist, and the owner of a highly succesful tech company. His wife is the head of the history department at U of Georgia, and he will also tell you he has many friends in high places in academia. He eats dinner with many local politicians in Georgia and participated in the watergate scandal.
(....pssst - it's all a fantasy - he's a programmer with a wild imagination and he figured out how to use a search engine).
My humble advice to you is this:
1. Ignore him
2. When that doesn't work, (I've lost my temper with him myself), stroke his ego for him. He's old and cranky. He needs it. It's the compassionate thing to do.
Alice Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 12:44 AM : I hate to oversimplfy here .. but it'sjust a TV show. Life will go on without it! Well, perhaps for some people, it won't. But who cares ... other mediocre crap will be along shortly to fill that gap in your lives ...
Sky Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 1:20 PM : Oh looky everyone, the ultralooser, Patriot, came in not to say anything usefull, but to attack me! It's hi tedious modus operendi. It's all the microbrain can do. We haven't seen him in a few days and were hoing he had gone back to the mothership. I guess we aren't so lucky. Pssst, asshole, I've written search engines.
(sorry, Harald, but Patriot's as sick fuck, who I cannot abide.)
Harald, look at this tread. You are correct in that really makes no difference whether I like the program or not. What matters is if enough people like the program to make it worth UPN/Paramount's time and effort to continue to produce it. These poeple aren't stupid and they know their business. They didn't make this decision in a vacuum. Maybe this hoopla has increased iterest enough so they numbers will change and they will rethink their position. Stranger things have happend. but it's just as likely that things will cool down in a few weeks and this whole thing will be forgotten. Either way, Star Trek, as an idea does have broad appeal and I do not doubt that another series will crop up.
Look at how people [i]feel[i/] about Star Trek. I thoroughly enjoyed the original series, TNG (even more) DS9, and Voyager. Enterprise I didn't care for. But to me they were just TV programs. When they were cancelled, my thought was "ah, too bad. Oh well. Carry on." It wasn't a big deal; there is a lot more entertainment out there. But here a program is being cancelled and people are protesting in the streets! And coming here and getting pissed off over essentially nothing. People are forming organizations and raising money to save a one-hour TV program. I've seen blogs and fora where people are takling about having to go see therapists because they don't know how to go on without Enterprise. I'm sorry. I don't mean to offend anyone, but that's just nuts. I'd say the same thing if I saw people gnashing teeth and foaming at the mouth over the cancellation of any other TV program.
It isn't that there are people who "want Trek cancelled." Don't you get it, Wayne4Trek? We don't care. What we find bizzare is that so many people do care and so strongly. I guess I'm trying to understand why.
BTW, NASA named the first prototype (it never flew in space; it was only a lifting body) "Enterprise" as a PR ploy. The shuttle program was having a hard time in Congress and was at risk of being cancelled. The public didn't seem to care one way or the other. NASA named the ship Enterprise and had a big media blitz. Trek fans responded as expected. It ws pretty good politics when you think about it. I actually got to see Enterprise on the back of a B474 land at Kelly AFB once. It was pretty impressive.
Sky Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 1:31 PM : (again) Absolutely, Bob. Trekkies can be weird. Or maybe its more accurate to say some weird people have become Trekkies. I had a guy approach me in DC once, who was dressed up as Spock in a home-made uniform, green makeup, pointed ears, the works. He had his phaser drawn and (so he said) "set to kill." He explained to me that he had meant to beam into the Whitehouse, but that Scotty had got the coordinates wrong. He'd lost his communicator and couldn't contact the Enterprise. He was having difficulty finding his "emergency rendezvouz point" and would I take him there. I took him to a DC cop.
Wayne4Trek Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 1:40 PM : Sky, your "Spock" incident is halarious.
It is true that "weird" people tend to gravitate towards Sci-Fi in general, as well as Star Trek specifically. I'm sure there is a psychological reason for that.
Golly Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 1:41 PM : Sky, which character were you dressed as? LOL
Patriot Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 1:44 PM : Sky - The mothership? You mean the tent in your backyard? As usual you are right about everything. I just don't understand how one man can have so much knowledge and experience and waste it on microbrains like us here at codewolf.com. Truly noble of you. Can I nominate you for a nobel prize?
Patriot Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 1:46 PM : Sky - p.s. the previous post was for Harold. But thank you for gracing me with your well thought out wit. I'm going to go wash it off now before I get an infection.
Golly Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 1:55 PM : "I wished I were an Oscar Meyer weiner."
Patriot Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 1:59 PM : Golly - I thought you were a lesbian?
Golly Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 2:05 PM : Patriot, after Sky's post earlier today regarding "my homophobia," I have no idea what I am. I feel I should be ashamed that a little part of me does not want to become a Troop leader or peak through the keyhole into the men's locker room.
Patriot Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 2:15 PM : Well, you were made with junk that fits very nicely with a senorita. Any shame you may feel is only a warning sign to keep that little part of you from hijacking the whole automobile. The very fact that you can talk about it, means you're far from the danger of being controlled by your curiosity. My perversion has always lied with multiple women, and other's watching. But when it came down to brass tax at bachelor parties, or when the oppurtunity presented itself during my college years - I got stage fright - no can do. I am wired for only one woman, no matter what my superego may tell me I should be. I wasn't cut out to be a porn star, so I became an engineer. Almost as exciting, but half the occupational hazards.
Golly Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 2:21 PM : Hear you there. My wife is an Italian. A mean one. Was that redundant? Anyhow, Golly can talk all the talk he wants but the "one" woman rule is rather healthy for Golly, so says his wife. You are not the exception regarding multiple female partners, hell we all used to talk that smack. I only knew a few individuals that actually carried through. Since then, both have been married and divoriced. Probably not a coincidence.
Patriot Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 2:28 PM : I worked the front door at a bar in college, and some of the partys the bartenders and cooks would throw after hours, made "girls gone wild" look like a PG-13 teen horror movie. Times like this I wish I had pictures to send you....but then again, pics are very increminating. Just ask Ms. England and her friends at abu ghraib.
Golly Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 2:33 PM : Yep, I had a buddy that was forced to wear a pig mask, at a bachelor party, while the girls rode him and whipped him. The mask seemed like a great idea but he has a very distinguishable birth mark on his shoulder. He, still today, will tell you pictures are NO GOOD.
Patriot Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 2:40 PM : The last house I lived in at college was perfect for bachelor's parties. So much so, that even our friends that didn't live there asked us if they could rent it out to throw partys for their friends! We of course, being the givers that we were - said we could not in good conscience accept any monetary compensation for hosting the shanaigans.
The shower in the mstr bathroom could fit 5 people.
Tatoos, birthmarks?....a guy could get in real trouble real fast. Magic marker doesn't come off in 24 hours either. Word to the wise - have the bachelor party the month before.
Juniper Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 2:44 PM : Lewd advice from a true christian? Is that allowed?
Golly Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 2:46 PM : He has been clear about his Christianity, I never heard him say he was a Priest.
Juniper Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 2:54 PM : Just teasing Golly...
Patriot Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 2:57 PM : Juniper, my story about bachelor partys is about my past. I was a theist back then, but I wouldn't say I was a Christian. I was raised in a Roman Catholic household myself, but I didn't believe in the deity of Jesus Christ. In that sense, I was a supreme hypocrite.
If I was a priest, my story would've been about last night. LOL
Golly Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 3:21 PM : Now that is just plain funny!!!
Patriot Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 3:33 PM : There was once a Catholic priest named Baldric who loved to golf. He loved golfing so much, he'd ditch confessions on Saturday morning to get in 9 holes. But because he didn't want to get in trouble with the bishop he would have an alter boy stand in his place.
One fine Saturday, he choose altar boy Juniper to stand in his place and hear confessions. Juniper of course, was nervous and didn't know what to do, so the priest gave him a list of things to tell the parishoners do for repentance for the appropriate sin:
Lying = two hail marys
Stealing = two our fathers
Cheating = one hail mary and a glory be.
Priest Baldric left for golf and handed Juniper the instructions above.
Everything was going great for Juniper until a lady walked into the confessional and admitted she had anal and oral sex with someone besides her husband. Juniper was in tears!! He didn't know what to do! So he ran down to the basement where Janitor Sky worked and asked him what Priest Baldric gave him for oral and anal sex..........
Sky blurted out :"Two twinkies and a Pepsi"
Golly Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 3:38 PM : I'm crying. LMAO
Juniper Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 3:44 PM : I can imagine Golly laughing with this, but it is in bad taste Patriot. Can go dig through my joke sites to find a suitable one and plug in your name...
Golly Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 3:48 PM : See, this is my point Juniper. Put my name in, Golly and I would still be laughing. Bad taste, good taste or just plain taste, crack a smile. Oh man, I said crack.
Patriot Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 3:51 PM : It's a joke Juniper. It was meant to be a joke. It's Friday for crying out loud. Damn!- nothings funny if you have to explain it.
Please, by all means, plug my monkier into something! I'm sure you know a few jokes off the top of your head. Use your noodle instead of your search engine. Maybe Sky can write you a search engine that'll help you use your noodle? Not funny? Ok.......
HR won't bust me too will they Golly?
Patriot Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 3:52 PM : Golly - you and who? You sittin' there with HR, or do you have a mouse in your pocket?
Juniper Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 3:55 PM : Hey Golly I laughed too, is just in bad taste to plonk peoples names in jokes like that. Don't think he (patriot) would take it that lightly. Actually had a killer reply but considered it "not done" to post it. Certain things should not be joked with. He might not like Sky's stuff etc. but I do. The man makes a lot of sense, which can't always be said of Patriot. Depends on what one believes I guess.
Golly Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 3:58 PM : Just put the comma in the wrong place. Should read "Put my name in, Golly, and I would still be laughing."
Golly Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 4:01 PM : Patriot, because of Golly you have no worries. HR is just too busy.
Golly Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 4:08 PM : Juniper...Sky, making sense. It just depends on which side of the fence you sit I imagine.
Alice Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 4:11 PM : Personally, I think Sky is one of the brightest guys that I've never met.
Patriot Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 4:14 PM : Shit juniper- don't hold back!! Why you pullin' punches now? Our values are different. I can accept that. The only person here who doesn't have "hate" on their hands is Golly. We've all expressed our anger at other people's opinions. Some of us admit this......others care not to see the truth. In the end, the true victim is the one, who doesn't grow because of it. Pride is a dangerous thing. It alienates you (or me) from other human beings. Intelligence mixed with arrogance is like casting good sead on bad soil. Even though an intelligent person may articulate a message clearly, by packaging it in arrogance, it ensures the message will not be accepted, much less considered. It's like when you talk with someone, but who they are shouting at you so loud, you can't hear the message. There is a cause and a cure for arrogance. The cause of arrogance is insecurity. I know from experience.
Golly Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 4:15 PM : Yea, like I said, depends on your side of the fence. You exhibited that by saying "Personally." I agree with some of his thoughts and disagree with some of his thoughts. I guess my point is, I can see why he gets a grinding from others. He has something to say about everything and others jump on that.
Adam Sandler Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 4:17 PM : Juniper, you're mad at your father. You hate your dad, not Patriot.
Alice Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 4:21 PM : Hey Adam, what about me? I love my dad and hate Patriot. What does it all mean?
As for "hate on their hands", what's wrong with that Patriot? It's a perfectly normal human emotion.
Patriot Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 4:21 PM : I agree with you Alice.
Sky is one of the most intelligent people I've never met either. It's because he doesn't exist. His persona is so far from reality, it's not even funny. People who have true intelligence, are typically much more graceful - they are humble. Because the more you learn, the more you know, the more you realize how little you really know. The man who truly thinks they know everything, is only starting the journey. Pride never influenced anyone in the positive. Again, speaking from experience here.
Alice Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 4:24 PM : You haven't met too many bright people, have you Patriot? The truly brilliant tend to be far from humble. Some of the most self-involved, egotistical and totally rude people I have ever met, have also been the most clever.
Juniper Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 4:24 PM : With Alice on Sky Golly! Just he is so smart a lot of people don't like him. These days coolness is to be proud to be ignorant. (just ask PoPo LOL) Hey I checked up on some of the stuff he writes (at least that what interests me) and he is right you know. That guy is a fountain of information. (and no, I do not consider him arrogant)
Hey Adam, I don't hate Patriot! Where do you get that idea from? I don't even hate my father! I can get upset with Patriot, but so would you if you read his posts! :)
Patriot, I would not feel good about posting that, sorry. No point in offending people. I presume others read our drivel also. Glad you found the cause of your arrogance!
Sorry folks, really got to go.
Alice Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 4:25 PM : Laters Juniper!
Juniper Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 4:28 PM : See you Alice! Have decent weekend!
Golly Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 4:31 PM : Smartest person I have ever met, and this is true, is Matt M****. Matt was the captain of the University of Minnesota's Quiz bowl or whatever that is called. I believe while Matt was captain, they won nationals two times? Matt is still one of the most unassuming people I have ever met. You would have absolutley no idea you were speaking to a genius when having dialog with Matt.
Patriot Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 4:35 PM : I've had the honor of working with many bright people. The distinction I assume you're referring to Alice is between intelligence and charachter. IQ without charachter, finds very few places where it is appreciated. A few things I've learned about working with intelligent people - people get hired for their technical skills, promoted for their leadership skills and fired for their arrogant skills. There is no limit to what a person can do if they don't care who gets the credit.
In my opinion, arrogant people are truly scared deep down. They haven't reached the end of themselves, if you will. They are still searching. Think about it. Have you ever truly been confident in something? I'm not just talking about positive thinking, but the peace that comes from knowing in your soul, your thinking is grounded in the Truth? People who are arrogant, don't know this peace, so they put on the cloak of arrogance, and "will" their opinion to fit a reality they are confused about.
Golly Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 4:42 PM : I guess one more random thought. I have managed geniuses, idiots, average Joe's and people with "street smarts." Far and above, as a sales career goes, the street smart person is heads and shoulders above the rest. No comparison what-so-ever. The idiots, well, they're just stupid. The geniuses have a hard time relating just coping. The average Joe is just what they are named for. Street smarts, unbelievably perceptive.
Remember Matt the genius? A bartender.
Patriot Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 5:03 PM : Time to hit the road Golly - have a good weekend. Don't forget to pick-up a few Miller Lites on your way home, so you don't have to go thru the shock and awe of an empty fridge on Sunday morning.
Sky Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 5:04 PM : Patriot, leave my quick wit on you for a minute or two longer. You may just have an epiphany (go look the word up). everyone who is unfamiliar with Patriot take note. Notice how he has not addressed the topic being discussed here, but has used it as a vehicle to continually attack me. He does this in every thread. He has nothing to offer; he's what used to known as an internet troll - someone who goes to sites and just causes trouble. He's one luckly bastard that CW is so liberal about this site. At any moderated site, he would have been blocked lon ago. Run along now P and have some cookies and Koolaide before your nappy.
Golly, my post about homophobia in the other tread wasn't meant to call you down but spur you to think. You seem an OK sort of fellow, not at all the kind to hate someone because of who they would love. If NeoCon, Patriot do anything positive here, its serve as represntatives of how not to live your life. They are filled with hatred of anyone who isn't like them. You don't want to be anything at all like them. I know for a fact that some good knowledge human sexuality, unvarnished by religious moralism, and honest self exploration is the cure for homophobia. Being opposed to homosexuality on religious grounds and homophobia are not synonymous. Unfortunately, many people cloke their homophobia in religious dress and call themselves righteous in their hatred.
Wayne4trek, what I meant that you didn't get is that the vast majority of the poeple in the world could not care one iota whether Enterprise survives or sinks. It simply isn't important. I didn't mean to suggest that you'd made up your information about thenaming of the shuttle Enterpirse, since you did not. It is basically accurate. I just offered a bit more. I'm a bit older than the average bear here and I remember the early days of the shuttle program. There were several members of Congress (they were called Republicans) who considered the program a multibillion dollar porkbarrel project and were bent on killing it. President Carter was recivine a lot of letters form Trek fans asking that the test shuttle, which was to be named Constitution, be be named Enterprise. He and Nasa agreed and the move was very popular. People started paying attention. It was good politics and was probably saved the shuttle program.
Look all, I completely understand the appeal of Star Trek. It is supposed to represent the triumph of man's spirit, not only for exploration, but also a celebration to reach beyond his baser instincts and learn to live in peace and harmony. That speaks to all of us. Don't you find it intereesting that if man is ever to acheive this level of enlightnement, we are going to have to rid ourselve of of such thinking as that which constitutes the current neoconservative movement? Gene Rodenberry was a visionary with a strong social conscience. By today's standared, he could only be described as a "bleeding heart liberal." He used the original series as a vehicle for social commentary to challenge our thinking. The composition of the crew was a deliberate challenge to racial and nationalist predjudices of the day. The crew worked together to triumph over injustice, intolerance, misunderstanding and domination of others. The Enterprise's was a mission of exploration, peace and good will. One of the primary reasons that the program became so popular is that Rodenberry was addressing the very issues that the "hippies" (also called social neo-romantics by some sociologist) were championing. He offered a future vision very much in keeping with their goals.
I don't want anyone to think that I'm anti-Star Trek. That would be silly. My concern is that all too often, Americans ttend to go over the top about things that aren't important, while ignoring things that are. Being disappointed that a program you enjoy is being cancelled is natural, but organizing a movement to save it, protesting, and donating money is over the top.
Patriot Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 5:23 PM : I'm a midget Sky, but if you think I'm a troll, I'm probably wrong.
Man that was a great post above! I am truly amazed at your knowledge! You know, you make a lot of great points. I never thought of it that way before. The intersection of Star Trek and right wing politics. Can I copy your post above and send it out as an email?
Sky Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 5:50 PM : Zimmy, please state the purpose of the cause? I know the reason, but what's the purpose. There is a difference. You want to do something good with your money? What about a homeless shelter, a literacy program, a no-kill animal shelter, an outreach program, a veterans assistance program, etc. Our president has rightly told us that our government should be doing less to fund social progrms and that we citizens should be doing more. He has called on us to be more socially conscious and compassionate. And what do some of us do? Give what little money we may have to foster worthwile social causes to save a silly TV program. Meanwhile people are living under bridges, children are going to bed hungry and single mothers are trying to pull themselves out of poverty and make a better life for their children. So, yeah, what the fuck were you thinking?
No Bob, the joke's on you. Unfortunately it isn't terribly funny.
Golly Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 5:55 PM : Sky, let's try this. Perhaps it isn't homophobia. Diagnose this. I do not know any homosexuals (that I am aware) other than Juniper (whom I do enjoy.) The thought of touching another man, other than than the ass slap after a touchdown or a hand shake is repulsive to me. I dig women. I like to talk with them, I like to have lunch with them, I like to respect them, I like to hear what they say and I like to sleep with them, well, one of them (my wife.) I do however, struggle walking around the locker room with other nude men. I am fairly certain, at this stage of life, nothing is going to "pop" out of the closet other than perhaps diabetes or cancer.
Now, regarding Patriot, I think you may find it interesting that he can be as well read, controversial, knowledgeable and as intelligent as you. Why , per you, would that not be a bad way to live at least half my life? I have said this a few times already today. If I sit on the fence, and I often do, I see things totally different. I too Sky think you are a decent kind of guy, in fact, I will go further than that. I think you are pretty fricking smart. The only thing I might share is that Patriot does exhibit a sense of humor quite often. You attempt from time to time but....I'll bet you can do better. NO?
Sky Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 6:21 PM : The smartest guy I ever knew was a kid in college who was a major pothead and a complete inigma. He thought it might be cool to go to medical school, so rather than take pre-med, he decided to do a triple major in biochemestry, biology and physics. He was also in the colleges Honors Porgram. That's impressive enough, but here's the kicker: he only attended class when he felt like it, he didn't even own a notebook, much less take notes, and in the first week of class, he's go to the library take all his textbooks off the shelves and spent all night reading them them. This way he didn't need to waste money on buying them. Amazing. Everyone who knew him was in awe of him. He graduated with a perfect 4.0 GPA and when he took his MCAT exam, scored perfect 9's across the board.
Golly, OK, so you are straight. So am I. So are most people. I cannot diagnose you, but I will tell you that if you are repulsed by the idea of merely touching another man to the extent that a simple handshake bothers you, then it is imperative that you seek some psychiatric councelling to understand why this might be. The fact that you extend this revulsion to active homophobia suggest that there is something in you you definitely need to address. This is not to say that you are secretly in the closet and that one day something will pop and you'll "turn queer." Rather, there maybe something painful you are repressing that expresses itself was a revulsion of physical contact with other men and a fear of homosexuality. Understand that the subconscience has no verbal language, so when it needs to express itself, it does so by borrowing thoughs, images, and emotions. This is why dreams often seem bizarre and make no sense, but leave you with an uncomfortable feeling that lingers all day long. It takes a trained psychotherapist to help you come to understand what your subconcious is trying to communicate to you. You recognize that Juniper's an OK fellow. But could you look at him, not seeing only his gayness, but also the man, and embrace him as a friend? If you can't, you should make that a life's goal.
Can I be funny? I'm told I'm a riot. I'm not always serious, you know.
Q: Why'd the pervert cross the road?
A: He couldn't get his dick out of the chicken.
Golly Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 6:34 PM : Sky, read again or perhaps I mistyped. A hand shake does not repulse me at all. Don't think I said that. I would hug you, or Juniper if I had not seen you for years. I would hug both of you if a family member died. I would probably hug both of you if I ever get a chance to meet you. I guess, my point, is as I said before, some of this is a "bit." Don't waste a lot of time worrying about me. I'm okay.
Golly Wrote the following on 03/04/2005 6:39 PM : Sky-BTW, that is what you call humor? I really did think the "Twinkies" was funnier. lol