Sky Wrote the following on 02/01/2005 4:30 PM : No he doesn't. Where'd you get this little turd of info? Mad it up. Oh, I thought so.
Golly Wrote the following on 02/01/2005 4:51 PM : Actually, I believe these numbers are somewhat accurate but I the caveat is in "certain age groups," especially in Iran. Something like adults 21-35.
Sky Wrote the following on 02/01/2005 5:19 PM : I have no hard info, Pepe, since there is no real hard info - at least I've never heard of any in any reputable new outlet. Any "polls" about Bush's approval rating among the Iraqi citizens must be propaganda. Consider the situtation there and tell me how it is possible to do accurate sampling for a poll? I'm not saying it is impossible, but would be incredibly dangerous, and what purpose would it serve? Given all the other, much more serious problems to look after, who gives a damn if the Iraqi's love or hate Bush. If 60% had said they'd like to see his head on a pike, are we going to pack up and leave?
Golly is your info source on the Web? I'd like to take a look if it is.
The point is that NC is as full of shit as a goose. If he posts anything like this, it has a near 100% probability of being pure bullshit. And even if NC's figure was accurate, he's talking only of the Shi'a. We already know the Sunni's hate Bush's guts and what of the Kurds? Since the Shi'a comprise 60% of the population and 60% of them approve of Bush, the math would be 0.60 x 0.60 x 100 = 36% -- that isn't too impressive now is it.
Golly Wrote the following on 02/01/2005 7:32 PM : Sky, I will try to find this. It was something I read a while ago but, the more I think about it, it may not have been a "Bush" approval rating, rather Iranians that support a democratic state.
Pepe Lopez Wrote the following on 02/01/2005 7:39 PM : I understand,it just seems that usually your comments are more thought out and not so abrupt.
golly Wrote the following on 02/01/2005 7:42 PM : Sky,
There are several articles like this availalbe. I did read this from a credible source, I will still see if I can find.
codewolf Wrote the following on 02/01/2005 7:58 PM : If you listen to NPR, (as I do every morning) you may have heard some interesting interviews with "people in the know" out there and the true opinion about the minorities in Iraq and the false views thrown about lately by the US news bullshit machines. It seems that although there is a lot of problems with keeping a minority happy in Iraq (and one that held power for some time under Saddam), this minority really holds little or no say in the insurgency activities, it's more of a political problem as if the Green party had held the US gov't positions for a while. All this talk about the breakup of the Iraq populace is swayed and twisted by what you are hearing from reporters that know nothing about the internal Iraq political struggles. I think you ALL should re-asses your position on your opinions and find the time to do a bit of more in-depth research into the Iraq political situation before you start pointing fingers at who is the liar or propagandist here.
NeoCon Wrote the following on 02/01/2005 9:28 PM : Codewolf - why are you listening to NPR propaganda?
Nony Wrote the following on 02/02/2005 06:42 AM : NeoCon, you calling NPR propaganda is the best ever recommendation for me! Will have to see if I can get it on the web. Found it NPR. They have streaming audio too! Cool
Sky Wrote the following on 02/02/2005 08:32 AM : NPR and PBS have - hands down - the most accurate, most comprehensive, and completely unbiased news operations in the entire US. I listen to Morning Edition in the morning and All Things Considered in the afternoon and I get information there that will only be seen (if at all) in a crawl on those absurd cable news outlets. It should be obvious to everyone in the year 2005 that, if Ruppert Murdock owns it, it's tabloid crap and should not be given serious consideration. It astounds me how many people watch the circus clown act that is Fox News and then insist that they are well informed and that they have "balanced" information.
Thanks for the Link, Golly!
The "problem" with Iraq Codewolf, is that it's history is very complex and the events and struggles there just since WW1 is almost mind-boggling. To fully understand the situation, one really needs to go back 800-1000 years. In addition, Americans simply don't understand the psychology that drives the Iraqi people. It is completely different from our own. Here's a great resource for those who want to learn more.
Nony Wrote the following on 02/02/2005 11:32 AM : That sure is a resource Sky! Thanks.