Golly Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 08:50 AM : I am not even a cat type person, feline domesticus, that is. Kind of disturbing?
Alice Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 08:51 AM : That's just bloody disturbing ...
Patriot Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 11:13 AM : I thought you green loving tree huggers where in to recycling?! Bunch of fucking flip floppers!! Sack up and skin that dead puss!! Mama needs a new purse!!
Alice Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 11:54 AM : Hey Patriot, if your wife miscarries, can I have the fetus? I'd love a new pair of gloves.
Patriot Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 12:19 AM : Alice, I pray that God keeps His guiding hand on your life. We all need Him. He'll take your bitterness and hate, and turn it into something beyond your wildest dreams if you let Him. Life is short. It's gone before you know it. You can choose hate and death if you like. He'll let you. But why would you? Why would you willingly let your heart and mind become enveloped with darkness?
Zimmy Zero Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 12:21 AM : What a bitch!! I run over cats on purpose.
Patriot why don't you send her the afterbirth as a consolation prize?
Alice Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 12:25 AM : Listen you shit. You seem to think skinning cats is a great idea .. I just wanted to see what it would be like if the shoe was on the other foot. It's not nice, is it? I care deeply about my cats .. jokes about them aren't funny. You were hateful first, I just reflected it at you.
Patriot Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 12:39 AM : Alice, I'm sorry you didn't find it funny. Please keep in mind, not everything I write is directed at you. When I write to you, I always use your name as an opening. You know I'm a cat owner myself, so to be honest I would've thought you were intelligent enough to see the play on humor in the hypocrisy of the comments.....but like most of our conversation, you only see what you want to.
Burr in your saddle today?
Alice Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 12:43 AM : I was just following the dialogue
Alice: That's just bloody disturbing ...
Patriot: I thought you green loving tree huggers where in to recycling?! Bunch of fucking flip floppers!! Sack up and skin that dead puss!! Mama needs a new purse!!
So, was I to guess that you were not refering to me? How was I to make any other assumption?
A play on humour? Hardly! What you said was simply vile .. and I guess you didn't realise how vile it was until it was directed at you.
I don't quite understand why you expect me to joke with you. Joking and humour comes out of friendships. We don't have a friendship, therefore I take everything you say seriously.
Green Man Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 1:37 PM : ready....
fire! -------> Zimmy Zero
right between the fucking eyes. sweet.
Alice Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 1:39 PM : Thanks for holding my gun Green Man. I knew you'd put it to good use.
Zimmy Zero Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 2:24 PM : haters step off!!
Patriot Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 2:41 PM : You're right Alice. It's all about YOU. Everything I write is about YOU. I hope you read it all, and take it all personally.......ah HA! my diabolical plan is working!!!! HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!!!!!
Seriously - ever thought about a job?......instead of 8 hours of internet? Our economy would appreciate it. Oh that's right, you have CATS. They need you. I forgot that in 'Alice world' CATS=PEOPLE. This actually explains everything about you. I wish you would've just stated this from the beginning. I've never met someone who equates CATS and PEOPLE that was sane. Now you're political and social philosophy makes sense as well. RIGHT is WRONG AND WRONG is RIGHT.
What's your address? I want to send Darren a bottle of Jack Daniels Single Malt. He not only needs it....he DESERVES IT.
Nony Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 2:54 PM : Patriot, Thanks for figuring out I am insane then. Guess you really never appreciated cats. Off to go collect my disability insurance. I'll refer them to you for the diagnose.
Patriot Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 3:44 PM : Nony, I do.appreciate the one I have. He's really pretty damn clever actually. And he gets along with the dogs.....so no complaints except for the fact that he pisses the carpet every now and again. But all in all, he's pretty good as far as cats go. We're just different Nony. I like dogs a helluva lot better then cats. But, unlike lil' miss psychopath, I don't think dogs or cats are people. They might be part of my family, but if it ever comes down to feeding the dogs or putting a roof over my wife and kid's head - the dogs go. Dogs, cats, birds, fish - they might all be pets, but THEY'RE STILL ANIMALS - THEY'RE NOT PEOPLE. STOP SNIFING THE LITER BOX.
Alice Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 3:47 PM : Patriot, I don't think my cats are literally people. However, I think they make great companions, and I love and cherish them. I'm not one of those women who likes kids, but I love my cats. I'm louck to have husband who's also not a breeder and loves the kitties as much as I do. It's a lifestyle choice. To me, they are members of my family, and no member of my family is becoming a purse.
Nony Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 3:55 PM : Patriot, that was a joke! Guess you get my humor the way I do yours. Sadly our boys only let me clean the box, not allowed to sniff it, that privilege is only for them! I know my place in the world, I was very well trained.
Patriot Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 4:22 PM : Nony - LOL, I guess miss psychopath brought me down there for a minute......Question for you - Do you make the sand look like a zen garden when you're done cleaning the box?.....stand up a few of the almond rochas to look like stonehenge maybe??
Golly Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 4:27 PM : LMAO...Now, that is some funny shit. Golly made a pun, Golly made a pun!!
Nony Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 4:27 PM : So glad you bring that up! Have 3 boxes here, so they can choose depending their mood. Should take picture of the wonderful arrangements provided for them. There favorite one is the "covered teahouse" one though.
Actually, I try to keep the sand reasonably smooth, so I can see how much "traffic" has passed. Bizarrely enough, they can go out, but they always come back inside to do the thing. Guess they get a kick of me cleaning up their shit.
Golly Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 4:32 PM : Oh-oh, maybe Golly is a cat instead of a lesbian. Golly can't crap at the office, He needs to go home to do his business.
Nony Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 4:38 PM : Golly I'm not going to clean up your mess!
Sky Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 4:39 PM : Zimmy Zero is why I never let my cats go outdoors. Green Man, what kind of bullets do you use? I'll buy you a box. Golly, maybe you're a lesbian trapped in a cat's body? Alice, did you know that your cats regard you as an honorary cat? It's true; that's how they relate to the humans in their lives.
Patriot Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 4:43 PM : Thanks for that factoid of pussy psychology Sky - that explains loads about Alice.
Alice Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 4:44 PM : I must say that I did know that Sky. My cats do an odd thing, they lick my hair. While finding out why they do that, I discovered that they are grooming as they would groom one of their own. Very cool! Molly in particular is apt to lick my nose .. she is such a sweetie. I think the moment that Darren and I truly felt like fellow cats was when our cats started laying on their backs, exposing their tummies. This is one of those ultimate acts of trust.
Nony Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 4:45 PM : Interesting Sky, our vet in the US told us that when we get the kittens, we take the place of their mother. The fact that we keep feeding and caring for them prohibits them from maturing. So they stay kitten-like for the rest of their lives. Guess I should be honored to be regarded as an honorary cat! They do give me all the "cat greetings" in the morning, nose to nose, and giving me the opportunity to smell their behinds (apparently that is very friendly in the catworld letting your behind be sniffed). Found a book here on cat psychology, but it is in french... bit hard to read from time to time, but very interesting.
Alice Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 4:49 PM : Ahh nose to nose. Darren calls this "getting nose"! He can get it all the time from Molly, but only about once a day from Desmond. Des is a bit of a mummies boy .. and molly is a daddies girl, so it all balances out.
Nony Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 4:54 PM : Yeah it is amazing how they pick out their humans. Here they seem to have a strict sheduled list who gets to sit on my lap when... they have it all worked out amongst each other. when I have to go back to working in the Office office (shudder), they are in for some adjustments. Amazingly they only like to be with my wife when she is in her home-office or reading in bed. If it weren't for the cats, I would probably have up and snuffed it by now of a hearth attack or other stress related issue.
Sky Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 4:58 PM : Someone gave me a facinating book on cat behavior several years back. I referred to it often, but then misplaced it in a move. (drat!) It said pretty much what your vet said. At first they view you as their mother, but as they mature, they view you as "alpha cat." Did you know that if a cat does something you don't want it to do, the best response from you is to press on it's nose and hiss? That's what mother cats do as a disciplinary measure. Alice, I've seen the same thing with my cats. The males will preferrentially bond with a woman, while the females with a man. They seem to understand how the "competition is." When a woman comes to my house, one of my females will climb into my lap and sit and glare at the visitor as if to say "bitch! stay away from my man!"
Each of my cats have independant needs in regard to their interaction with me and they have unique ways of telling me.
Alice Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 4:59 PM : In terms of health related stuff, I hear you loud and clear. I have trouble with anxiety and panic attacks. Having the cats around has lowered my blood pressure, and in general keeps me calm. There the best medicine in my book.
Alice Wrote the following on 01/27/2005 5:01 PM : Sky, too true. They have such unique personalities and ways of expressing themselves. Molly is very vocal .. she meows at the drop of a hat. Desmond is more physical. They really are like people in some ways ... the girls are talkative and the boys love to tussle about.
Alice Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 09:46 AM : Uh, "someone" .. we don't even know how this cat was killed.
As for being like taxidermy .. well, I let you know the next time I have an elk for a pet.
Sky Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 09:47 AM : Someone, the "bonsai kitten" site is a hoax, an internet myth. Read about it here.
Surfer Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 1:54 PM : Bonzia kitten is owned by the people who own Rotten.com. They have a bit about it sopmewhere.
Alice Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 2:19 PM : Bonzai kitten never bothered me ... I mean, it's an obvious hoax.
Kitty Carcass Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 2:30 PM : Meow. SKIN ME!!!
Nony Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 2:37 PM : There was some stupid idiotic little prick who would put a little kitten in a wooden cage, douse it with gasoline, well you can guess the rest. This sick individual would then video tape it and post it on his website... Yeah I had the link to that movie somewhere, but I'll be damned if I post crap like that (no I did not look at it, luckely it came with a short description.) Hope they traced him by now and gave him what he deserved. Some very sick people out there. Anyone seen the pics of the guy cutting off his own dick? Got that link in my e-mail today (luckely this one also with little description, so did not look).
Alice Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 2:40 PM : I saw that dick link ... fucking weird. I didn't dare show it to Darren .. I'm not sure how any man could stomach seeing that.
Nony Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 2:47 PM : Shudder, no details please, I usualy try to avoid sites with lots of blood, gore, (self)mutilation and things like that. Not that it freaks me out, but the uselessness and the waste of it angers me. Especially if it is inflicted on innocent creatures or the videos of mr macho getting himself and girlfreind scraped all over the highway doing something stupid with his motobike.
Patriot Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 3:02 PM : Alice - who are you to tell these people they can't skin cats and/or light them on fire in a wooden cage? Morality is subjective damn it!! What's right for you may not be right for someone else. Quit forcing your pathetic feline morality on everyone.
Alice Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 3:08 PM : Fine Patriot, interpret how you will. If you think that is what I believe, fine.
Patriot Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 3:13 PM : Alice - you need a coke and a smile. It's got to be happy hour over there by now right? Put down your copy of "liberalism for dummies", step away from the computer and go out and get some sunshine.
Nony Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 3:14 PM : Guess that was one of your attempts at a joke Patriot?
Alice Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 3:16 PM : Patriot, you're such an asshole that you can't even see it. You're so continually insulting that it just blows my mind.
Patriot Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 3:17 PM : Yeh it was. I know it's not nice to fuck with Alice - but it's so much fun!! She falls hook, line and sinker everytime!!!
You seen some of the names she calls me? She could make some of the construction workers I work with blush!!
Patriot Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 3:18 PM : Ahhh...there we are. That's the 32nd time I've gotten "asshole" out of her. Maybe, if she gets creative, I'll get another name. Can't wait!!!
Alice Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 3:23 PM : No Patriot it's not nice to fuck with anyone. How can you take such pride in being mean to people? It seems your talent is to bait and harass people. Why? Is it fun to be horrible to people? I hate to bring out this chestnut, but is it what Christ would do? Since you are a believer, I have to ask .. I mean, do you think your god wants you to be hateful?
Sure, you tell me that it's hard to live up to the christian ideal .. but it's not that difficult to be civil. You have control over yourself, why not exercise it?
Patriot Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 3:24 PM : Alice - you think morality is subjective. I was having fun with you giving you some of your own. Take off your shoes and relax.
Subjective morality is an absurd argument isn't it?
Alice Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 3:28 PM : I believe morality is subjective, yes. However, certain things are simply against the law. Animal cruelty is one of them.
Patriot Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 3:40 PM : Alice - I think you are confused. Morality dictates our laws and policys - not the other way around. Not everything that is wrong is illegal, and not everything that is illegal is wrong.
Alice Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 3:54 PM : I'm not confused. I'm aware of how the laws are made.
So, do you think it's ok to skin cats?
Alice Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 4:06 PM : Fine, you guys want to bait for a reaction .. go ahead. You're not going to get one from me.
Alice Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 4:16 PM : Acutally I will give you one reaction. I'm not coming to this site anymore. I'm sick to death of coming here to comment on stories and then being picked at by a bunch of bullies. Debate is one thing, being just plain rude and hateful is different.
To paraphrase Nixon, you won't have Alice to kick around anymore.
Patriot Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 4:25 PM : "I believe morality is subjective, yes. However, certain things are simply against the law. Animal cruelty is one of them."
You're really not confused? Considering the implications of your statement above, I disagree.
Patriot Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 4:29 PM : Charleton Heston is that you?
Patriot Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 4:30 PM : Please God - save me from your fan club.
Golly Wrote the following on 01/28/2005 4:31 PM : Wow, look at all the fun I missed. Alice, if you leave the site, I guess Life Guard really got you out of the pool. Do you want this? Nony, thanks for the Zarqawi link from the Guardian. Interesting. Time will tell.
Juniper Wrote the following on 01/30/2005 4:22 PM : Patriot and Lifeguard, I think you owe Alice an apology!