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Minutes after four young men robbed a Hiltonia resident of $1,500 cash Sunday night and threatened to rape his teenage daughters, one of the suspects lay dead under the victim's sport utility vehicle on nearby Route 29.
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codewolf Wrote the following on 11/24/2004 00:35 AM :
Good for this guy! You don't threaten to rape someone's daughter and expect a father to do nothing about it.


socket7 Wrote the following on 11/24/2004 00:44 AM :
That man is my hero.


Surfer Wrote the following on 11/24/2004 02:32 AM :
I know someone who was working a convenience store and a very similar event occured. The father's response: he beat the shit out of him with a can of peas.


Alice Wrote the following on 11/24/2004 08:21 AM :
Indeed! Way to go dad!!


Sky Wrote the following on 11/24/2004 11:01 AM :
Sorry, I have to disagree with you guys:

1. He gave chase and put his life in danger. He was lucky he wasn't the one killed. His daughters could have become orphans.

2. He created a situation where others chould have been injured or killed.

I understand that it's great to hear about the bad guys getting what they deserve, but a single father of two should have used better judgement.


codewolf Wrote the following on 11/24/2004 11:14 AM :
Sky - I agree with you to a point, the guy was not thinking rationally, but, who does when you have a gun to your head. And as he stated in the article, he thought that they would come back and harm his daughters, he put his life in danger to save theirs. He acted without having time to think about the situation calmly, I can't blame him for that.


Alice Wrote the following on 11/24/2004 11:39 AM :
It's rather easy to say what he should have done. But I think until you're in the situation, you can't predict what you'd do. I would imagine his first response was to protect himself and his children, no matter what the cost. I think instinct takes over in those sorts of situations.


Surfer Wrote the following on 11/24/2004 11:47 AM :
I'd rather be around someone who acts on thought, not instinct. Instinct takes control and can lead to some bad situations.


Alice Wrote the following on 11/24/2004 12:29 AM :
Well surfer, you should be sure to surround yourself with robots. When in danger, unless your some sort of soldier, you're going to act on instinct. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I've not doubt that it is rare.


Sky Wrote the following on 11/24/2004 12:36 AM :
But, Alice, he didn't act on a first instinct to protect himself and his children. Had he done that, he'd have got them in the house and called the police -- the pros who know how to deal with armed criminals. No he jumped in his SUV and went after them. Stupid, stupid, stupid. He was a very lucky man in that he appears to be dealing with not-too-bright criminals. It could have ended tragically with him and several other people shot. And what if that had happened? What if he'd caught a .25 cal. bullet between the eyes? There his daughters would have been, alone, in a house, with crminals already on a spree knowing that there was now no one to protect them. I certainly am able to predict what I would do. Always stop and think. Especially if you are in a dangerous situation. I can tell you that if I'd just got away from someone who had just had a gun to my head, I certainly wouldn't go fter them *unarmed* and ask for more.

Remember what Richard Pryor once said about heros? The often become dead people. I'm not blaming him for anything and I can understand that maybe he saw things a lot differently at the time. But the media's making a hero out of him. Other people may think :hey, if he can do it, so can I." The problem with this thinking is - and ask a cop about this - when a victim decides to take on a crinimal, the criminal almost always wins. He's ready for it and on edge; he's planned for that possibility. The victim hasn't and probably isn't thinking clearly. I'd be willing to bet that should we follow this story, we may just learn that there's more to it than now seems apparent.


Alice Wrote the following on 11/24/2004 1:23 PM :
Well, we were talking about instinct. I was saying that most people act on instinct, and it's hard to control. In this case, the guy was more of a pre-emptive vigilate .. sorta.


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