Surfer Wrote the following on 07/05/2008 4:50 PM : Grow up warthog. Do some research on gender dysphoria and maybe then you'll understand.
Golly Wrote the following on 07/05/2008 5:48 PM : So I don't get it. Am I taking a run at him/her or not? Something, somewhere about this article I find arousing.
CC NLI Wrote the following on 07/06/2008 02:41 AM : Mental illness should be cured, not celebrated and paraded around.
CC NLI Wrote the following on 07/06/2008 10:26 AM : That's not what warthog meant and you know it.
Surfer Wrote the following on 07/06/2008 12:22 AM : You folks need to get past your prejudiced ideas because we're not going back to the stone age... things like this are happening, you're scared (all negative emotions are based in fear). That's too bad... you're going to get left behind. Things are moving quicker and quicker.
And warthog, you really really need some help, comparing this to Nazi Germany and homosexuality. Even for troll behavior, that's a stretch.
CC, I'm surprised you're so bigoted on the issue. No matter... you and warthog are in the minority in recognizing that a person's mind makes up who they are... you guys are arguing along the same lines that say that a quadriplegic is not a person because of their deformities. With a physical deformity, though, you do the right thing: You look at that person's mind to determine who they are. You should be doing the same thing with transgendered people (or just plainly admit that you're a hypocrite) simply because it's not the body that determines who they are but rather the mind.
The sensationality of this comes from the fact that men don't have children (in this manner) so we have a glaring contradiction of choices and how that's resolved. You can say all you want that this is celebrating a mental illness, but in the end, all the publicity on this will do at least one thing: help others going through similar identity issues think through the problem and reach a solution.
I hope you guys fall off your chairs the day a doctor successfully transplants a uterus into a man and he carries to term.
CC Wrote the following on 07/06/2008 2:40 PM : And no papageno, don't retire.
When millions of women struggling with infertility get the same amount of recognition and "hero status" as this one she-man receives, I will be a tad more receptive.
Azprick Wrote the following on 07/06/2008 2:44 PM : Sorry CC. I was rather found of papa being retired. Robin Hood of Code-wolf? That must be a reference to green tights and all? Do tell. Perhaps it will be revealed in your book?
Surfer Wrote the following on 07/06/2008 6:53 PM : It's no wonder people get pissed at you CC, you said one thing and then denied it: talking about anatomy in your very first comment and then claiming it was just about newsworthiness in your last while in the same breathing insulting someone with a "mental disorder." Fine job there.
Surfer Wrote the following on 07/06/2008 10:47 PM : Hey, dumbshit, McFly? Are you home? I never denied it was a mental disorder. Quotes in my previous post were for emphasis. Now you're just being a dumbass and trying to argue anything simply because I'm standing opposed to you. I know more about G.D. than you do simply because I took the time to research it. (For example, did you know that men who are undergoing treatment for this are required to live as a woman for a period of time but in Illinois this is a problem since it's illegal for a man to wear woman's clothing?)
I used think you were pretty decent but I can see I was mistaken... you're slamming on this dude - I already explained what made it newsworthy and have practically spelled out why you're being a total shithead and you just don't get it. Still, you can't even keep your shit straight about why it bothers you. Anatomy? Having a kid and getting media coverage? Which is it? Oh, that's right, it's "Whatever." Sorry, I don't buy this "multiple choice" bullshit. I doubt you even really know what it is about it that really bothers you.
As for anonymous postings, I did that shit once to prove a very specific point and it was not only deliberate, but I owned up to it (CC NLI, ooooh, yeah..sure). You're just mad because 1. You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground and 2. No one is worshiping your uterus. An ignorant ass such as you has no place in our culture - So get your ass back in the kitchen and STFU.
There, you wanted flame and jerking about, you got it bitch. Got anything else to whine about? Maybe Patriot was right and the vast majority of women really CAN'T get complicated concepts, logical thinking, etc. Who knew, maybe I was just around an incredible group of people all my life.
CC NLI Wrote the following on 07/06/2008 11:36 PM : And calling a female a bitch for disagreeing with you is the lowest of low.
CC NLI Wrote the following on 07/06/2008 11:38 PM : I'm calling an attention-whore freak an attention-whore freak.
Surfer Wrote the following on 07/06/2008 11:45 PM : Hey bitch, you're the one who thinks people are flaming and stalking you. You're the one who's sad and now that you're getting it after accusing me of being that way, you want to whine a like a little bitch? Shut the fuck up. Stand there and accuse me of shit and then whine when it actually happens? I'll show you what the fuck a real flame is. I'll show you what the fuck it is to be really pissed off at someone.
Oh, yeah, before I forget, it's fucking pathetic as all hell that you let other people control you. What's that? You don't see how? Riiiight, sure...let me spell it for ya, since you can't seem to understand things any other way: Your actions are determined by the way other people treat you (hey, you said it first). You'll only act like an adult if people treat you like one and act like one to you (instead of showing moral steadfastness and choosing how you'll act instead of reacting). Pathetic bullshit that you can't figure out how to act like a real person. It'd be real easy to control you any way someone else wanted.
When you act like an adult, I'll treat you like one. Until then, you ain't nothing but a bitch.
CC Wrote the following on 07/06/2008 11:46 PM : "When you act like an adult, I'll treat you like one. Until then, you ain't nothing but a bitch."
Surfer Wrote the following on 07/06/2008 11:48 PM : That's my point, moron. You don't have the moral capacity to maintain your own ground but react to how other people treat you (imagined or otherwise). Damn, I so don't have to work at this.
CC Wrote the following on 07/06/2008 11:49 PM : Now sober up.
Surfer Wrote the following on 07/06/2008 11:51 PM : Ain't no sobering to it. I firmly believe that people get what they ask for. When you accuse someone of being, in short, an asshole, you'd better expect them to live up (or down) to your expectations and accusations. Learn a lesson here before it bites you in the ass IRL.
Surfer Wrote the following on 07/06/2008 11:58 PM : Then why you gotta have the last word, bitch?
Someone Wrote the following on 07/07/2008 00:04 AM : two idiots on parade today i see
Someone Wrote the following on 07/07/2008 00:11 AM : both of them are reacting
Someone Wrote the following on 07/07/2008 00:13 AM : ALL OF YOU SHUT UP! JESUS
Someone Wrote the following on 07/07/2008 00:15 AM : Yes, please do.
X Wrote the following on 07/07/2008 00:27 AM : Wow, I guess it's just bitches and trolls today.
Surfer Wrote the following on 07/07/2008 00:47 AM : X, that's part of what spawned this whole thread to begin with. Part of the treatment of gender dysphoria is the adoption of the alternate sex identity, to act and live as such, and to be recognized as such. So, while the genetics say "female," the actions, the mind, the government and psychologists say "Male." This is why he almost couldn't get medical care. It's kinda like cross race marriages about 20 years ago.
Someone Wrote the following on 07/07/2008 01:51 AM : Papageno pegged it right
Surfer Wrote the following on 07/07/2008 08:27 AM : X: They could always go to cuba. SRS is free there.
Someone Wrote the following on 07/07/2008 11:09 AM : instead of expecting your policy to shell out $
CC Wrote the following on 07/12/2008 3:05 PM : No, you were one of the first ones who commented on this story.
Surfer Wrote the following on 07/12/2008 5:36 PM : And you're arrogant and a "know-it-all" when it comes to fairies in the sky that people worship but you don't hear me complaining... in fact, I think it's great.
Surfer Wrote the following on 07/12/2008 10:45 PM : Wow. Just... wow.
Someone Wrote the following on 07/13/2008 11:03 AM : deep end is right
Surfer Wrote the following on 08/14/2008 5:37 PM : Not gone ya fooking cunt. Just busy doing other things, like moving.
X NLI Wrote the following on 08/14/2008 6:04 PM : LOL too bad