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Kansas to revisit evolution debate - Last year's elections gave conservatives a majority again, 6-4. A subcommittee plans six days of hearings in May, and advocates of intelligent design plan to put nearly two dozen witnesses on the stand to critique evolution.

Fucking morons - Creationists can argue that there is lacking evidence in evolution theory, but they don't have ANY evidence to stand on with their laughable belief that people were created by a man flying around in the sky.


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Golly Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 09:49 AM :
NeoCon has a point and don't forget...that is where Dorothy came from. I'd jump all over that. Remember when she had those red shoes on? She would "wish" and "click." Dorothy had great ankles. Did I ever tell you? Golly loves ankles.


MrMan Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 09:53 AM :
Golly Goes Victorian!


Nony Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 10:58 AM :
Golly, are there parts of a woman's body you don't like?


Golly Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 11:17 AM :
Nony, not really a big fan of feet.


Patriot Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 11:22 AM :
Codewolf wrote: "Fucking morons - Creationists can argue that there is lacking evidence in evolution theory, but they don't have ANY evidence to stand on with their laughable belief that people were created by a man flying around in the sky."

Tell us how you really feel Andy! Have you ever even considered both sides of the issue? So that you could have an intelligent conversation with the other side? This is the "tolerance" that you left wingers speak of?! Yeah right! Your comments indicate you believe the claims of creationists are false, because they're morons? This tells us nothing about whether or not Intelligent Design is true or false!. The people who hold this belief may very well be morons, but your comments prove nothing about whether or not intelligent design is true or false.

For example, if I mis-balance my bank account, it may very well be because I'm horrible with math. But the reason why I mis-balance my check book and the evidence (ie - my erroneous calculations performed on a napkin under low light at the kitchen table the other night) that proves my checkbook is off balance are two very seperate things aren't they? In otherwords, first show me where intelligent is wrong, and then you can explain why the people that hold this belief are wrong (they fucking morons!). But you haven't explained why intelligent design is false.

".....man flying around in the sky"??? Where does Christianity claim, or intelligent design dictate that God flys around in the sky? And what does this have to do with the origins of the universe? This is a strawman statement Andy. It's simply a fact, that you've fabricated, that intelligent design does not postulate. By proving it false, you do no damage to the theory of intelligent design.


Dork Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 11:44 AM :
Why don't you go play with your imaginary friend Jesus!


Surfer Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 12:59 AM :
Patriot refuses to understand the faith is not founded on fact! He wants the entire world to believe exactly what he wants to be true. Barring that, he'll do anything, absolutely anything to prove everyone else wrong so that he can be right. This includes violating his own religious tennets and moralities to do it. Talk about moral relativism.


Surfer Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 1:30 PM :
Not that your comment had anything to do with what was going on, but that's normal for schizoids like you. But no, I don't hate kansas farmers. Just you.


NeoCon Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 1:42 PM :
Its mutual.


Surfer Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 2:20 PM :
Somehow, I doubt that it's even sided.


sky Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 2:42 PM :
Neo still believes in the Family Farm Fairy. He doesn't know that most agricultural products grown in this country are produced by huge Argr-ibusiness comanies like Archer Daniels Midland Corp and Monsanto. They got all the land for pennies on the dollar (not to mention billions of $$ in corporate welfare in the form of subsidies) when Reagan screwed the family farmers and took their farms in the 1980s.


Patriot Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 3:04 PM :
It's always been clear to me, but I'm glad you finally admitted it surfer. Your faith isn't founded on facts or reason. This amounts to nothing more then a wide leap into absurdity and belief in fantasy!

One does not know God by faith alone! This is the lie perpetuated by weak minded thinkers who refuse to follow where the verifiable evidence leads them. It's an examination of what is true. And it's not a one sided issue! I do not 'know' God exists in the same way I know I am sitting here typing a response to this post! But I can examine the evidence and come to reasonable conclusions in the same way that I can know the American civil war took place and that Napolean walked the earth in history past. There is evidence on both sides of the fence. But to continue to think that you can know anything with some degree of certainty, by simply leaping without logic or reason, is simply an irresponsible notion, that is not be practiced in any other study of knowledge!

The Christian faith hinges on the reliability of the Gospels, the historical fact of the resurrection of Christ and the corraborating evidence of secular historical resources that many (including you surfer) refuse to examine.

Reasoning with the historical evidence available today, can bring a person to faith in Christ. But this blind faith notion is usually only supported by new age postmodernists like Surfer, who would rather prefer the idea of "truth", never enter the conversation. Fantasy is fine Surfer, but I'd prefer my beliefs be based in reality and cold, hard, proveable truth claims and scientifically verifiable facts.

But feel free to continue believing in whatever makes you feel better about yourself. For me, I'll take truth anyday. Even if it doesn't 'feel' good. I'll choose my beer and cigars by my tastes and feelings, but when it comes to issues that have eternal implications, give me what is true and verifiable.


alice Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 3:09 PM :
One thing is for sure, most people don't do the footwork involved in whatever beliefs that have. You must admit that! I can't think of how many people I've met who say that it must be so because the bible, torah, koran, the vicar, rebbe, imam, parents etc told them so. So, the idea that some of us believe that some people believe on blind faith didn't come out of nowhere. Most people are lazy and don't take the time to think about what they believe. They just do and have no good explanation for it. Surely you know that's true Patriot ...


Patriot Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 3:20 PM :
No argument from me at all on that Alice. Case in point: I attended a Bible study with a friend of mine recently who is in his early 50's. Most of the men in the Bible study were senior citizens. Certainly, one would assume that these gentlemen had most of their lives to examine the truth claims of Christianity and have knowledge of the strengths and weakeness of the evidence. But through discussion it was apparent that many of them relied simply on their experiental evidence. Now don't get me wrong. The experiental evidence, of finally committing one's life to Christ and turning over the reigns to Him and seeing what happens in your life is the most convincing of all the evidence you'll examine. But it doesn't come first. It didn't work that way for me anyways. It's hard to leap to conclusions without first settling doubts and our inner "skeptic".

This very notion is what frustrates me about the evolution/intelligent designer debate. The atheist/naturalist approaches this subject with the philosophical question already answered that God can not exist. Therefore they are limited in what conclusions they can come to. A Christian is not shackled by this same idealogy. I'm free to follow wherever the evidence leads me, because my philosophy hasn't closed any roads before the analysis begins.


Golly Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 3:29 PM :
Anyone ever read "More than a Carpenter?"


alice Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 3:39 PM :
Well, that's not entirely true Pat .. I know plenty of people who believe evolution to be true who also have a firm faith in a deity. You can have both. There do happen to be people who are into evolution without a deity, and that's alright too. We all need to make our own choices. I am also free to go where the evidence leads .. I just haven't seen any "god" evidence, at least nothing that stands up to my way of thinking. Surely in some way belief in god can close paths. Some people that believe in god won't even begin to consider evolution .. they won't even let it be taught in schools ..


Golly Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 3:51 PM :
Alice, Alice, Alice. You need proof? How come everytime Golly and his wife make whoopee, when Golly is done, his wife says "Thank God that's over." Huh? There is your proof!


alice Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 3:53 PM :
Well Golly, you do make a good argument, but I think I need something a bit more concrete than your tale.


Surfer Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 5:07 PM :
Schizoid, who the fuck gave you permission to talk to me? You just want everyone else to be wrong so you can be right. So blow your hippie "God is.." indoctrination attempts out your ass.


alice Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 5:10 PM :
Short fuse today Surfer? Wow .. I mean, he gets on my nerves too ... yikes


Surfer Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 5:21 PM :
How can I respect for someone who can't even follow the tenets he preaches to other people? In my eyes, he's the perfect example of a load that should have been swallowed.


alice Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 5:23 PM :
No one gets respect unless they earn it. I think it's in our best interests to be better people and not be insulting .. I mean you get what you give ... hell sometimes you get even though you don't give. Then again, it is a personal choice.


Patriot Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 5:34 PM :
I think Schizoid is NeoCon Alice.. I'm Mr. Multiple Personaility Disorder in Surfer's fragile universe.

Surfer Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 12:59 AM :

"Patriot refuses to understand the faith is not founded on fact!"

Enough said then! I give up. Let's do this your way then Surfer. If spiritual truth is simply subjective, and your opinion is that my (or your opinion) is true simply by virtue of it being my opinion then my opinion is that spiritual truth is absolute and you - Surfer are wrong. And since this is my opinion you must grant that this is true by your own philosophy.


alice Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 5:38 PM :
Okey dokey. I must say I was confused.

I don't think that faith by it's definition is based upon fact. But when we use the word, it can refer to things that are quite real .. like putting ones faith in medicine. Perhaps religion is like that, more real and meaning for some than others. Perhaps the word faith means something different to a non-believer than a believer. It's kinda like the words "liberal" depending on how you use it, it could be derogatory.


alice Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 5:49 PM :
Well, I'll talk you guys later. It's dinner time! Laters.


codewolf Wrote the following on 04/28/2005 6:03 PM :
I have no problem being tolerant of people's beliefs, but bringing them into school is where I draw the line.


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