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More than Panspermia - Cosmic Ancestry is a new theory pertaining to evolution and the origin of life on Earth. It holds that life on Earth was seeded from space, and that life's evolution to higher forms depends on genetic programs that come from space. (It accepts the Darwinian account of evolution that does not require new genetic programs.) It is a wholly scientific, testable theory for which evidence is accumulating.
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Greg K. Wrote the following on 04/12/2005 4:29 PM :
So where did space come from? Who created?


Jeffrey Wrote the following on 04/13/2005 06:45 AM :
Who created? So who created your creator then? If you can believe in a creator who wasn't created, it can't be that difficult to believe in space that wasn't created. If you are really that deperate in your need for a creator, how about your creator creating space in which life might evolve?


Greg K. Wrote the following on 04/13/2005 11:36 AM :
Two questions for you Jeffrey:

How do you define "first"?

Does Space have a limit?


Jeffrey Wrote the following on 04/13/2005 2:02 PM :
How do you define "first"? Are we going to play the chicken or the egg game? Go ahead, I'm not interested.

Does Space have a limit? I'm not an Astrophysicist, so I can't give you a suitable answer to that .

What's infinity anyway but a concept we don't understand. I was just offering you a different way of looking at things. Seems you're one of those people who can't think outside the creation myth of the bible.


Greg K. Wrote the following on 04/13/2005 2:44 PM :
Jefferey, No games on this end, just an attempt at a rational discourse. Curiously, we didn't get very far before your longest sentence was a personal attack.

Why do you bring up the bible? Do you need the Bible to prove to you that you exist? You will find 100% undeniable proof if you simply stop to look all around you. The Bible tells the story of creation in the first chapter, if I'm not mistaken. It doesn't provide proof you exist anymore then a repair manual would provide sufficient evidence for the existence of an automobile.

Perhaps thinking outside the box is exactly what we should be doing. In fact, I invite you to think outside the book. Consider your first objection - that I am not capable of thought because we disagree about the origins of creation. Is this rational? Is this defensible? This amounts to nothing more then your subjective opinion, which by the way is based on very little evidence! Shouldn't we think outside the box, rationally and objectively to consider the truth of the matter?

Consider your method. No one can refute an idea by showing–even correctly–the psychological or cultural reasons someone believes it. This is an evasion–the genetic fallacy– it's not an argument. There's a difference between what causes or motivates a person to believe and what justifies the belief. First you must show that a man is wrong before you start explaining why he is wrong.

It's an interesting question isn't it? - The origins of the universe. Did you read the article?

My position is that we find ourselves on this planet, amidst the vast expanse of creation, because we were "created" by an intelligent designer. Why am I wrong?


alice Wrote the following on 04/13/2005 2:56 PM :
Greg you ask the question "Why am I wrong?". You and I both know it's nearly impossible to prove a negative. I think someone is playing games.


Greg K. Wrote the following on 04/13/2005 3:40 PM :
Alice, does your objection to my method of inviting Jeffrey to further debate have any bearing on the question of the origins of the universe? In otherwords, does your question prove of disprove evolution or intelligent design? It doesn't. It's another common evasion technique. Good try though!!


NOT_Jeffrey Wrote the following on 04/13/2005 3:42 PM :
Testing, testing.


Jeffrey Wrote the following on 04/13/2005 3:47 PM :
Someone trying to post something using my name?

You sure deduce a lot out of my few lines. You also purposely misinterpret my comment, "assign" me methods and objections, invent meanings that aren't there and put words in my mouth I have never uttered. You got a fertile and paranoid imagination Greg K.!

You believe in an intelligent designer, if that makes you happy, fine go ahead.

No point going into an argument about this with you. This is an evasion–the genetic fallacy– it's not an argument I did a google on this, got many hits from creationist or religiously oriented web sites, seems to be a standard "argument" to obfuscate the issue. Guess you've been "training" for this kind of arguments. Stands to Reason - Is God just a Crutch "... There's a difference between what causes or motivates a person to believe and what justifies the belief. First you must show that a man is wrong before ..." I don't argue with people that "cut and paste" Greg.


alice Wrote the following on 04/13/2005 3:52 PM :
Greg, it was just an observation.

I don't know that any of us are truly equipped to answer that question on a message board. I can tell you what I believe to be true, and the you can tell me what you believe to be true. Neither of us will be convinced by the others arguments. I've been through this before.

One thing I can say is that I'm sure you don't actually want to be proven wrong. You just want to argue about what you believe to be true, not what you know as fact. What's the point? In this case, I don't think it really futhers anyones intellectual curiostiy. It's just spitting in the wind.


Greg K. Wrote the following on 04/13/2005 3:59 PM :
Jeffrey, You've found me out! I applaud you. Yes this is part of my online research. I enjoy debate as you've probably noticed from my website.

So now that you know that I am experienced in thinking about these types of problems, you're declining to discuss this further? Because you're afraid of??????


Greg K. Wrote the following on 04/13/2005 4:03 PM :
Alice, if you're declining to further discussion, I understand. But if we were to debate this further and I'm wrong, I would appreciate it if you would show me where. Your comments seem to indicate that you don't believe there is a right or wrong answer. Are you sure you're right about this?


alice Wrote the following on 04/13/2005 4:07 PM :
Ok, I'll be honest. I believe strongly in evolution and the lack of god in the equation. I do feel that there is quite a bit of evidence for evolution and against intelligent design. However, when one gets into these kind of conversations there are always flaws to be found in either side. AS I'm not an evolutionary biologist, I do not feel that I'm fully equipped to engage in this discussion.


Jeffrey Wrote the following on 04/13/2005 4:19 PM :
No point discussing this with you, you seem to have made debate for debates sake your specialty. I've outgrown the teenager and can no longer be baited by claiming I'm too afraid... I'd expected something better to tell you the truth

Maybe we can discuss my specialtiy, designing/programming processors for the automotive industry, just let me know.


Juniper Wrote the following on 04/13/2005 4:25 PM :
Greg K., then you must be the Greg Koukl on that site right?


Jeffrey Wrote the following on 04/13/2005 4:25 PM :
Greg, before I log out, my apologies for calling you a cut and paste artist.


sky Wrote the following on 04/13/2005 4:39 PM :
A lot of metaphysical discussion here over a fake "science" site. This one Q&A from their absurd FAQ pretty much makes any biologist shake his hear and laugh out loud:

[i]Q. So how did life on Earth originate then, according to Cosmic Ancestry?

A. Life on Earth originated when bacterial spores arrived here from space.[/i]

Bacteria are more derived than viruses and mycoplasmas, which aren't really alive, but nonetheless self-replicating. The rest of the FAQ is a carefully crafted progression of deceptive logic, dissemblies and deliberate misrepresentation of scientific facts.

Whoever these guys are, they are working off an unproven hypothesis that complex organic molecules (not life) may have arrived on earth in an metorite or asteroid. In a sense, it really makes no difference; we are all made of space stuff originating from the big bang.


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